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Democratic candidates polls

dissenters — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 12:08:17 GMT

Do you think America is ready for its first Female President? You do not need to be a member of this forum to vote in the poll.

RE: Why isn't anyone talking about Obama!

dissenters — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 08:25:18 GMT

Obama seems to be holding hos own with Hillary Clinton

RE: Why isn't anyone talking about Obama!

Bama — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:55:42 GMT

RockMan wrote:

Maybe there is'nt anything to talk about. He had some good ideas on MTV this week. What do you think?[/b]

"As I watched Oprah introduce Senator Obama in Iowa, the two-by-four that hit me on the head wasn't: Oprah is for Obama. It was: Oprah is against the war. Maybe, just maybe, Oprah's audience will take from this the message that their own opposition to the war isn't a betrayal of the troops, as the Republicans claim." ~ Marty Kaplan Makes sense to me

Why isn't anyone talking about Obama!

Greenmanzz — Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:56:25 GMT

Maybe there is'nt anything to talk about. He had some good ideas on MTV this week. What do you think?[/b]

RE: What are your needs?

dissenters — Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:34:51 GMT

we need to get rid of bush

Pullman Square Restaurants

dissenters — Sun, 28 Oct 2007 08:02:41 GMT

I understand that Barb Woods is going to open up an new restaurant at Pullman Square called Moes Southwestern Grill. I ate at Moes Southwestern Grill before it was closed down by the management at Pullman Square on a previous occasion. I was not impressed with the food at Moes Southwestern Grill and I am severely disappointed in mall management that they are ollowing this outfit to return to Pullman sqaure. The Food at Max and Erma's at Pullman Square is vastly better than anything Moe's Southwestern grille can put on the table. I thought Pulman Square was supposed to attract quality establishments? The management at Pullman Square can do better and I encourage them to do so.

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dissenters — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 03:53:18 GMT

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What are your needs?

Greenmanzz — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:16:11 GMT

Isn't it time we all started to think for ourselves instead of listening to our party? The president was elected because the Christians in our country believed he was a Christian, voters believed religious leaders when they promoted George W. in and around the church. Voters voted for him strictly based on their beliefs! Turns out, you can't believe a word that comes out of George or the whitehouse. Let's not vote based on our beliefs! We all need to cast our votes based on needs. Think about what you need, what your family and neighbors need and what this country needs. Our most important immediate need right now is more informed, thinking registered voters.

RE: Huntington Quadruple Prom Night Murder

dissenters — Sun, 14 Oct 2007 21:38:59 GMT

iss doing a better job than hey were, there is stil much to be done as it relates to fighting crime in this city

RE: We Are...Marshall Football Team Plane Crash Movie

dissenters — Tue, 09 Oct 2007 19:48:33 GMT

I got a real nice letter todat from Canada fro a gentleman who had seen We Are Marshall. SHe says that he is has is going to visit Huntingto because the movie made such an impact on him. Stephanie

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dissenters — Tue, 09 Oct 2007 18:27:47 GMT

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RE: George Bush needs to be impeached!

dissenters — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:43:15 GMT

Starting a war with no provokation is a violation of the Geneva Convention

George Bush needs to be impeached!

Greenmanzz — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:06:54 GMT

Impeach george.

RE: We Are...Marshall Football Team Plane Crash Movie

dissenters — Tue, 11 Sep 2007 09:07:59 GMT

The Marshall University movie appears to be over now. I am pleasd hat those who died in the football team plane crash got the recognition that they deserved. Thatmovie gave some closure to those who have been haunted by that crash for years.

RE: Is Debt Alone a Threat?

Anonymous — Sat, 30 Jun 2007 14:50:01 GMT

Historian Murray Rothbard wrote of the Bank of US in his book Panic of 1819: ----------------------------------------------------- Beginning in the summer of 1818, the Bank precipitated the Panic of 1819 by a series of deflationary moves. The branches of the Bank were ordered to call on the state banks to redeem heavy balances and notes held by the Bank. ...The severe monetary contraction, lasting through 1820, led to a wave of bankruptcies throughout the country". Mr. Rothbard noted a speech in the Congress by Senator Ninian Edwards concerning a bill proposed in the Congress for the relief of debtors: "The debtors, like the rest of the country, had been infatuated by the short-lived, "artificial and fictitious prosperity." They thought that the prosperity would be permanent. Lured by the cheap money of the banks, people were tempted to engage in a "multitude of the wildest projects and most visionary speculations," as in the case of the Mississippi and South Sea bubbles of previous centuries." �The Bank of the United States foreclosed more than fifty thousand acres of farmland in Ohio and Kentucky alone. ---------------------------------------------------- The "Cosmopolitan Financiers" have been doing this for millenia, filching wealth out of wherever and whatever they please. Nothing new here�

RE: Is Debt Alone a Threat?

Anonymous — Sat, 30 Jun 2007 14:47:07 GMT

Telegraph.co.uk Saturday 30 June 2007 Banks 'set to call in a swathe of loans' By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard Last Updated: 7:25am BST 26/06/2007 The United States faces a severe credit crunch as mounting losses on risky forms of debt catch up with the banks and force them to curb lending and call in existing loans, according to a report by Lombard Street Research. The group said the fast-moving crisis at two Bear Stearns hedge funds had exposed the underlying rot in the US sub-prime mortgage market, and the vast nexus of collateralised debt obligations known as CDOs. "Excess liquidity in the global system will be slashed," it said. "Banks' capital is about to be decimated, which will require calling in a swathe of loans. This is going to aggravate the US hard landing." Charles Dumas, the group's global strategist, said the failed auction of assets seized from one of the Bear Stearns funds by Merrill Lynch had revealed the dark secret of the CDO debt market. The sale had to be called off after buyers took just $200m of the $850m mix. "The banks were not prepared to bid over 85pc of face value for CDOs rated "A" or better," he said. "God knows how low the price would have dropped if they had kept on going. We hear buyers were lobbing bids at just 30pc. "We don't know what the value of this debt is because the investment banks shut down the market in a cover-up so that nobody would know. There is $750bn of dubious paper out there in the form of CDOs held by banks that have a total capitalisation of $850bn." advertisement US property writer Paul Muolo described the Bearn Stearns crisis as the �subprime Chernobyl�, saying the bank had created a �cone of silence�. Abandoned by fellow banks, Bear Stearns has now put up $3.2bn of its own money to rescue one of the funds, a quarter of its capital. This is the biggest bail-out since the Long-Term Capital Management crisis in 1998, which Bear Stearns refused to join at the time. Bear Stearns is now alone, a case of rough justice being served. Lombard Street�s warning comes as fresh data from the US National Association of Realtors shows that the glut of unsold homes reached a record of 8.9 months supply in May. Sales of existing homes slid to an annual rate of 5.99m. The median price fell for the 10th month in a row to $223,700, down almost 14pc from its peak in April 2006. This is the steepest drop since the 1930s. The Mortgage Lender Implode-Meter that tracks the US housing markets claims that 86 major lenders have gone bankrupt or shut their doors since the crash began. The latest are Aegis Lending, Oak Street Mortgage and The Mortgage Warehouse. �There isn�t a recovery about to happen,� said Ara Hovanian, head of the building group Hovanian Enterprise. Nouriel Roubini, economics professor at New York University, said there were now concerns about �systemic risk fall-out� from the Bear Stearns debacle as investors look more closely at the real value of CDOs. �These highly illiquid securities have been priced so far on unrealistic and distorted credit ratings as the ratings industry has been complicit,� he said. �They have not been rerated in a way that is consistent with rising subprime default rates. �That is why Wall Street is in a panic. �Losses will be massive once these assets are correctly priced to market.� Lombard Street said the Bear Stearns fiasco was the tip of the iceberg. The greatest risk lies in the �toxic tranches� of lower grade securities held by the banks. Much-trumpeted claims that banks had shifted off the riskiest credit exposure on to the asset markets was �largely a fiction�, said Mr Dumas . The worst of the US property crisis has yet to hit since there is an overhang of $2,000bn of mortgages with adjustable rates which have yet to be reset. Many borrowers could see payments jump by half, or even double. At the same time, a spike in 10-year US bond yields by 0.65 percentage points over the last six weeks has drastically repriced the cost of fixed mortgages, knocking away a key prop for the US housing market. �With defaults at their highest in the 37 years that records have been kept, it could be a long hot summer,� said Mr Dumas.

Cheney FlipFlop

Anonymous — Sun, 24 Jun 2007 06:52:25 GMT

Contra Costa Times Waxman joins fight to get Cheney documents Vice president asserts he is not an entity of the executive branch, refuses to comply with order to protect classified material By William Douglas MCCLATCHY WASHINGTON BUREAU Article Launched: 06/22/2007 03:07:43 AM PDT WASHINGTON -- Vice President Dick Cheney and congressional Democrats are sparring over the vice president's refusal to comply with a 2003 presidential executive order that requires all agencies and the executive branch to protect classified material. The skirmish is the latest in a long battle between Congress and the Bush White House -- particularly Cheney's office -- over the administration's campaign to expand the powers of the executive branch and increase the amount of information labeled as classified. In a letter to Cheney on Thursday, House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Henry Waxman, D-Los Angeles, questioned "both the legality and wisdom" of the vice president's claiming an exemption from the order, noting recent controversies involving members of Cheney's staff and classified information. Former Cheney Chief of Staff Lewis "Scooter" Libby was convicted in March of perjury and obstruction of justice in connection with a federal investigation into the identification, in a leak to the media, of CIA undercover operative Valerie Plame. In May 2006, Leandro Aragoncillo, an aide in the vice president's office, admitted in federal court that he stole classified U.S. intelligence information and passed it on to officials plotting a coup in the Philippines. "This record does not inspire confidence in how your office handles the nation's most sensitive security information," Waxman wrote. "Indeed, it would appear particularly irresponsible to give an office with your history of security breaches an exemption from the safeguards that apply to all other executive branch officials." Cheney's office says it's exempt from Bush's executive order because it's not an entity within the executive branch. The order, issued in March 2003, directed all agencies and executive branch offices to report on their classified and non-classified files to the National Archives and Records Administration. Cheney says his office is "unique" because it has dual responsibilities in the executive branch and legislative branches. In addition to serving as vice president, Cheney is president of the U.S. Senate. "I would say that we are confident that we are conducting the office properly and under law," said Megan McGinn, a Cheney spokeswoman. National Archives officials and Waxman disagree. They say Cheney and his staff fall under the executive order because of their executive branch business. The Archive's Information Security Oversight Office has been trying to get Cheney to comply with the order since it was denied access to the vice president's office for a routine inspection in 2004. "According to a letter that the National Archives sent to your staff in June 2006, you asserted that the Office of the Vice President is not an 'entity within the executive branch,' and hence is not subject to presidential executive orders," Waxman wrote. "To my knowledge, this was the first time in the nearly 30-year history of the Information Security Oversight Office that a request for access to conduct a security inspection was denied by a White House office." Archives officials fired off letters to Cheney's office in June and August 2006 seeking compliance with Bush's order, to no avail. In January, they wrote Attorney General Alberto Gonzales in hopes of getting Cheney to comply. Gonzales has not responded to the letter, according to Waxman's office. Justice Department spokesman Dean Boyd told McClatchy that the matter is under review.

Blogging for Bloggers

StephanieHeck — Mon, 11 Jun 2007 11:52:02 GMT

There seems to be more people who are interested in Blogging in West Virginia. I understand that Huntington has its fair share of bloggers, I would like to meet some of them. On my main blog I use the serendipity blog software. It is good stuff. If city hall had a brain.. they would give the police department a blog to post notices of missing children and stolen merchandise and crime alerts. There I go fantasizing that city hall has a brain.

RE: 'Moral Clarity'

Anonymous — Wed, 06 Jun 2007 13:59:32 GMT

Journalist Sheryl Gay Stolberg wrote for the New York Times 6 June 2007 that Bush was "assuring the Russian leader that he had nothing to fear from a missile defense system in Europe." This is the same guy that "assured" all that there were "weapons of mass destruction" in Iraq

RE: 'Moral Clarity'

Anonymous — Wed, 06 Jun 2007 13:56:38 GMT

I caught a lake trout the other day that was this big! ---

RE: Huntington Quadruple Prom Night Murder

StephanieHeck — Thu, 24 May 2007 06:46:19 GMT

It has been two years since the quadruple homicide In Huntington West Virginia and still no arrests. I want the culprits brought to justice. Stephanie Heck

RE: The people need to know

Anonymous — Mon, 30 Apr 2007 01:35:32 GMT

"My fellow Americans, our long national nightmare is over." � President Gerald R. Ford in inaugural speech 9 August 1974 Just who in the HELL did he think he was kidding?

RE: 'Moral Clarity'

Mersady — Thu, 12 Apr 2007 02:52:26 GMT

Invasion oF the Party Snatchers http://rawstory.com/news/2007/GOP_insider_Bush_Dan_Quayle_in_0402.html

RE: 'Moral Clarity'

Anonymous — Thu, 05 Apr 2007 00:13:16 GMT

RE: 'Moral Clarity'

Mersady — Wed, 04 Apr 2007 01:19:51 GMT

Cheney lurks in bushes watching Bushie read script. http://electioncentral.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2007/apr/03/bush_asserts_again_that_public_opinion_is_with_him_on_iraq Lordy, how that man does loves the troops and their families.

RE: Who will be the next Saddam?

Mersady — Tue, 03 Apr 2007 18:37:58 GMT

indago wrote:

"Ya know, Son, you made the same mistake in Iraq I made with yer Mother... I didn't pull out in time!"

haha Bush just doesn't get any respect from the peasants anymore And now here comes the liberal supreme court deciding that the Decider does have the authority to regulate heat-trapping gases in auto emissions. Of course, he doesn't have to do anything, but with this decision the legal action to follow when he doesn't can't do anything but hurt those he represents ~ the wealthy. So I figure he will soon announce he has been for EPA oversight all along then go into action. But what will he do? Declare it a terrorist plot? Call in Big Oil to take care of it? Outsource it to India? China? Contract with Halliburton of Dubai?

RE: Who will be the next Saddam?

Anonymous — Sun, 01 Apr 2007 14:52:13 GMT

"Ya know, Son, you made the same mistake in Iraq I made with yer Mother... I didn't pull out in time!"

Marshall University Computer Services

StephanieHeck — Sat, 03 Mar 2007 19:19:54 GMT

Marshall University has been listed by a national copyright enforcement group as one of the 25 worst Univerities in the country when it comes to illegal music downloads. Copyright violations imply theft of intellectual property and this is NOT a reputation that a progressive educational institution desires to have. It is not good for Marshall and it is not good for West Virginia. The liberal side of my nature says college kids will be kids, even if they are young adults as defined by law. However the law is none the less the law and must be obeyed. However the fiscal conservative side of my nature understands that the state of West Virginia has invested millions of dollars for a University computer network that has all too much of its digital resources abused by students for copyright piracy. This impacts the credibility of the University. I am displeased by the overt waste of money. I can think of better uses for the misappropriated bandwidth. This current situation does nothing to advance the reputation of the state of West Virginia or education. It is a negligent waste of state money that this situation has not been previously abated. Tax money should not be used subsidizing unauthorized digital music distributions by students. If the Marshall University digital network is going to be used for music distribution, then it needs to be used to put WMUL online in streaming format. That would be legitimate. Steve Hensley, MU dean of student affairs, told The Parthenon that prevention of downloading of illegal music is impossible �to restrict access to data files.� ,even though the federal law (DMCA) requires the University to regulate its own network to abate copyright piracy. The law is controversial but the law must be obeyed. Apparently Dr. Hensley does not understand that all MP3 music files can be rapidly removed from the student server in ten minutes by any competent server administrator. It's NOT impossible as he wrongly alleges. This needs to be done for the sake of the University�s reputation. The University already prohibited copyright violations on its network. The University computer system administrators were merely negligent to enforce the rules. And therein lies the profound problem. This has NOTHING to do with the publicity from the We Are Marshall movie. This situation is not without precedent. A portion of the states computer network at the state capitol was misused and abused about two years ago by state employees who were using state machines to download and burn pirated DVD's. As I understand it, the Governor of West Virginia promptly fired the administrators of that network at that time, and he was correct to do so.

RE: REAL ID

dissenters — Wed, 28 Feb 2007 00:09:04 GMT

If I have a drivers license I dont need a plane the way I drive.

RE: REAL ID

Anonymous — Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:44:05 GMT

Lisa Sylvester reported 9 February 2007:

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SYLVESTER: What they say -- what opponents say is what they are afraid is they don't want to see a national ID. In fact, Sensenbrenner is against a national ID as well, and his opponents say -- believe that this program is essentially one step away, that it would create a national database -- it would not create a national database. But they are concerned that it would, and that would essentially -- it would open up the door, if you -- so to speak, and would allow people access to this information, essentially keeping and tracking and monitoring Americans in this country.

Congressman James Sensenbrenner noted 7 February 2007:

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REP. JAMES SENSENBRENNER, (R) WISCONSIN: Well, they say it's a national driver's license and it's not. The Real ID Act, Lou, actually prevents a national ID card, because if we didn't use state driver's licenses to prove our identity, then there would be pressure on the federal government to have all of us carry a national ID, just like they do in continental Europe. That would be a bad move. And I've been strongly opposed to having a national ID card for a whole number of reasons.

Senator Charles Schumer noted 31 January 2007:

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SEN. CHUCK SCHUMER (D), NEW YORK: We propose every American, citizen, legal immigrant gets a non-forgeable employment card, a national employment card. It has a little chit in there that you can't forge that matches the retina of your eye. Every employer -- every employer would have to swipe the card through a little machine like a credit card machine, when someone applied for a job who would have their picture on it, of course.

Reported 26 January 26 2007:

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ROSEMARY JENKS, NUMBERSUSA: There really is no opt out with federal law. If they decide not to comply, then the result is that the people who get driver's licenses from that state will not be permitted to use their licenses for certain purposes like getting on an airplane. PILGRIM: The new rules would say, unless a person had a driver's license issued with the new standard, a person could not board a plane, enter a federal building or enter a nuclear facility.

If this isn't a national ID card, I don't know what would be. Granted, we do need a secure system in this country to weed out those who do not belong here, but the federal government has no business entering the driver license field. Years ago, driving an automobile on the highways was considered -- and recognized by legal authorities -- to be a right, and that those who operated a motor vehicle on the roadways for profit had to be licensed by the State for this purpose. Gradually, the natural person and the artificial person were melded together into the law, and now the State won't recognize that there is a distinct difference between the two. The federal government has seized upon this abortion, and acted upon it to the detriment of the inhabitants of the States, and it has come to this.

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The new rules would say, unless a person had a driver's license issued with the new standard, a person could not board a plane

I really don't believe that a person boarding a plane has any intention of driving the plane, or even driving a car around in the plane. So, what would a driver license have to do with whether or not a person can ride in a plane?

RE: REAL ID

Anonymous — Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:41:44 GMT

CNN -- LOU DOBBS TONIGHT -- Aired February 26, 2007 - 18:00 ET Many states are still unhappy over mandatory federal standards for issuing driver's licenses. The Department of Homeland Security is expected to issue new guidelines this week, and states have just over a year to put them in place. Now, Jeanne Meserve tells us why states are putting up resistance to the law. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I definitely don't think this is going to work. JEANNE MESERVE, CNN HOMELAND SECURITY CORRESPONDENT (voice over): But it does. The prankster goes into the Virginia Department of Motor Vehicles and comes out with a valid driver's license, silly picture and all. From a security perspective, it is not a laughing matter. After 9/11, Congress mandated tough new federal standards for driver's licenses called Real ID. States are supposed to implement them in little more than a year. Every one of the 245 million license holders in the United States will have to reapply in person with documents that prove they are citizens or legal residents. The states predict it will swamp motor vehicle offices, creating long waits. Currently, each state issues licenses following their own security standards and with their own features. KAREN JOHNSON, ARIZONA STATE SENATE: They have no business in our state's business. And that's what they're doing. MESERVE: Arizona state senator Karen Johnson is sponsoring legislation saying her state will not comply. She says Real ID would invade privacy by creating a large national database of driver information. JOHNSON: I mean, Homeland Security is the one that's going to be running this database? Give me a break. MESERVE: Arizona is one of 24 states that has passed or proposed legislation opposing Real ID. The big complaint, the cost -- an estimated $11 billion over five years. The biggest expense is likely to be a requirement that states verify the authenticity of identity documents used to get a license. DAVID QUAM, NATIONAL GOVERNORS ASSOCIATION: It's verification that not even the federal government can complete for its own employees. MESERVE: Rody Marshall just got his license renewed in Phoenix in 20 minutes. If Real ID lengthens his wait, it's fine with him. RODY MARSHALL, PHOENIX RESIDENT: I don't think everybody should just automatically get a driver's license. If it takes -- if it takes a day of your time, that's what it takes. MESERVE: Homeland Security is taking an even harder line. MICHAEL CHERTOFF, HOMELAND SECURITY SECRETARY: If we don't get it done now, someone is going to be sitting around in three or four years explaining to the next 9/11 Commission why we didn't do it. MESERVE: Because the next person who tries to get a driver's license may want to do harm to the country, not just get a laugh. Jeanne Meserve, CNN, Phoenix. (END VIDEOTAPE) MESERVE: As you mentioned, Kitty, the Department of Homeland security is expected to issue long-awaited regulations perhaps this week that will lay out the specifics of what states have to do to comply with Real ID. Some are guessing that will fuel the uproar rather than dampen it -- Kitty. PILGRIM: Jeanne, what are the consequences to the states of not complying with this law? MESERVE: Well, what the law says, if you do not comply, then your licenses can't be used as federal IDs. That means you can't use them to get into federal buildings, you can't use them to board airplanes. So consequence for the citizens. PILGRIM: Yes. It seems like it. Thanks very much. Jeanne Meserve.

RE: Passing of Hedgwitch

dissenters — Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:44:34 GMT

It hurts to lose Hedge Stephanie

RE: Passing of Hedgwitch

Mersady — Tue, 20 Feb 2007 01:26:34 GMT

From Hedg on AOL http://memberdirectory.aol.com/aolus/profile?urlman=sn%3Dhedgwitch%26req%3Dvp Name: William J Fulks [Joe] AKA - OL' SARGE the HEDGWITCH Born 2 Jan 1934 Location: Mebane, NC Full address available upon request. Gender: Male Marital Status: Widowed Hobbies & Interests: Pagan Religions Political debate Writing Fantasy fiction Favorite Gadgets: Tools of my trades [weapons of all sorts] My computer Occupation: SFC, USA, Retired and Jail SGT, Alamance County [NC] Sheriff's Dept, Retired Personal Quote KYFHO: Never initiate force against another. That should be the underlying principle of your life. But should someone do violence to you,. retaliate without hesitation. reservation, or quarter, until you are sure that he will never do so again Links: OLD SARGE the HEDGWITCH http://hedgwitch0.tripod.com/ Anarchist's Cookbook For getting even http://web.ifrance.com/ Cowboy Celtic - Home My favorite musical group http://www.cowboyceltic.com/home.htm DISSENTERS.ORG Index My message boards WCPE - Listen over the Internet My favorite fadio staation http://theclassicalstation.org/internet.shtml Hedg's photo album included a picture of his late wife

RE: Passing of Hedgwitch

Anonymous — Mon, 19 Feb 2007 14:54:20 GMT

What a shock! I believe his last post here was on January 29th. We used to post on the old ACLU message boards a few years back. It's hard to believe that he's gone.

Passing of Hedgwitch

dissenters — Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:23:48 GMT

Friends: I do deeply regret to inform the readers of this board that our longtime friend Hedgwitch has passed into eternity on Jan 30, 2007 grom a heart attack. He was retired from the US Army and a Sheriffs Deputy. His real name was William Fulks of Mebane N.C. We shall all miss him. Stephanie Heck

RE: 'Moral Clarity'

Mersady — Thu, 15 Feb 2007 01:01:30 GMT

WASHINGTON (Feb. 14) - Challenged on the accuracy of U.S. intelligence, President Bush said Wednesday there is no doubt the Iranian government is providing armor-piercing weapons to kill American soldiers in Iraq . But he backed away from claims the top echelon of Iran 's government was responsible. Shoot, we have always known Iran has interest in Iraq but you can't help but be skeptical if Bush is saying it. Quiz: Which one is most accurate? 1- WMD 2- Iraq/al Quada connection 3- Nigeria uranium 4- Iranian goverment providing weapons Well, it has to be No. 4 of course lol

RE: Who will be the next Saddam?

Anonymous — Sat, 03 Feb 2007 08:08:33 GMT

Bush has a sudden desire for $100 Billion for his War On Terror in Afghanistan and Iraq for this year, and another $145 Billion for next year. BUSH'S WAR BUSH'S WANTS

RE: Who will be the next Saddam?

Bama — Sat, 03 Feb 2007 02:00:42 GMT

It just makes you wonder because all you can do is hope (Bush needs to start a Hope-based Initiative) You can assume hopefully that what they do is the best thing to do for the country or its the only way to get the job done..and they do it right. Here's something that seems a little unusual to me but may have been going on since President Eisenhower's warning and may well be the only way to do it in our system. Booze Allan Hamilton Inc., does $3.7 billion in defense and intelligent consulting. Pres. Bush's selection for his new spy chief is a retired admiral who makes $2 million a year and has worked for Booze for 10 years as a consultant to some of the same senior military and intelligent officials he will supervise if the Senate confirms him. So, I guess I can just hope that when it comes to the military its different than everything else because that's about defending the country..unlike oil, drugs, banking, etc. I'll never forget Rep. Billy Tauzin, the (supposedly) champion of the people against the evil drug industry. WASHINGTON � Retiring Rep. Billy Tauzin, R-La., who stepped down earlier this year as chairman of the House committee that regulates the pharmaceutical industry, will become the new president and CEO of the drug industry's top lobbying group. http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/health/drugs/2004-12-15-drugs-usat_x.htm

RE: Who will be the next Saddam?

Anonymous — Thu, 01 Feb 2007 01:02:50 GMT

Our mercenaries in Iraq The president relies on thousands of private soldiers with little oversight, a disturbing example of the military-industrial complex.