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Bama
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 Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 9:45 pm Post subject: Iraqi Civil War |
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BAGHDAD, Iraq (Feb. 20) - The U.S. ambassador delivered a blunt warning to Iraqi leaders Monday that they risk losing American support unless they establish a national unity government with the police and the army out of the hands of religious parties.
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Ironically we remain in Iraq today to protect the same people that sided with Saddam- the minority Sunni.
al-Jaffari, who has been in charge the last 10 months has now been selected to head the government and is nothing but a radical Islamic who intends to create a Shiite theocracy. A new element that surfaced under al-Jaffari was Shiite military forces (death squads) to rub out Sunni civilians. The insurgency is growing and this is the reason. The insurgency consists of 90% Iraqi Sunni (what we have been led to believe that the insurgency is controlled by foreign thugs is propaganda.) The insurgency is nationalist Sunni fighting for their lives and what they think is rightfully theirs. The most powerful foreign element in Iraq comes from Iran, the Shiite ally to the East.
The Shiites intend to dominate the Sunni and the Sunni intend to fight to the death to see that doesn't happen. Iraq is on the verge of warlordism.
The Shiites and Kurds in the north along with Iran appear to be too much for the Sunni, but the Sunni have an ace. Islam around the world is dominated by the Sunni. Only 15% are Shiites and confined to 4 countries, the biggest being Iraq and Iran.
I dissent. We need to abandon the Utopian pipedream (if thats what really was the reason for our involvement in the first place). Its decision time.
The new government with be inaugurated sometime within the next several weeks. With an event to lean on, we can declare victory and get out of that quagmire |
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PumaClaws
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| Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 7:42 pm Post subject: Re: Iraqi Civil War |
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| Bama wrote: | BAGHDAD, Iraq (Feb. 20) - The U.S. ambassador delivered a blunt warning to Iraqi leaders Monday that they risk losing American support unless they establish a national unity government with the police and the army out of the hands of religious parties.
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Ironically we remain in Iraq today to protect the same people that sided with Saddam- the minority Sunni.
al-Jaffari, who has been in charge the last 10 months has now been selected to head the government and is nothing but a radical Islamic who intends to create a Shiite theocracy. A new element that surfaced under al-Jaffari was Shiite military forces (death squads) to rub out Sunni civilians. The insurgency is growing and this is the reason. The insurgency consists of 90% Iraqi Sunni (what we have been led to believe that the insurgency is controlled by foreign thugs is propaganda.) The insurgency is nationalist Sunni fighting for their lives and what they think is rightfully theirs. The most powerful foreign element in Iraq comes from Iran, the Shiite ally to the East.
The Shiites intend to dominate the Sunni and the Sunni intend to fight to the death to see that doesn't happen. Iraq is on the verge of warlordism.
The Shiites and Kurds in the north along with Iran appear to be too much for the Sunni, but the Sunni have an ace. Islam around the world is dominated by the Sunni. Only 15% are Shiites and confined to 4 countries, the biggest being Iraq and Iran.
I dissent. We need to abandon the Utopian pipedream (if thats what really was the reason for our involvement in the first place). Its decision time.
The new government with be inaugurated sometime within the next several weeks. With an event to lean on, we can declare victory and get out of that quagmire |
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Hello, I finally got here
I have a question here: What's this thing about declaring victory? What did we win? Essentially we attacked a nearly unarmed country from the air, relentlessly bombed civilians in their homes, about half of them children, with thousands of tons of explosives (many radioactive BTW), Bush almost immediately dissolved whatever passed for a military there so our armed forces merely attacked civilians to begin with, and we're now supposed to declare ourselves victorious. Victorious over what or whom exactly?
Just imagine, already during this shock and awe overture there in Iraq our fully adult, college educated, courageous USAF bomber pilots managed to fly 30,000 ft in the air over Baghdad and blow up thousands of children in that city. What a grand spectacle that must have been. And under the circumstances I suppose that it's absolutely astounding that our USAF actually achieved victory considering the formidable enemy they were facing as they carried out their relentless bombing attacks against Iraqi infants in cradles and toddlers in strollers at the market in Baghdad where a missile was launched early on.
Excuse me but you can only declare victory if you win a war, and that would require that you participate in one in the first place. All our military has done in Iraq as well as in Afghanistan was to terrorize civilian populations. That's not a war. That's an invasion by terrorists.
In fact, not only should our military withdraw from both countries but all the personnel needs to be court martialed for running over there and terrorizing these poor people in the first place. This is not just something that needs to be dealt out with our fearless leader but with his enablers in the US Armed Forces as well. After all, this horror would have never been bestowed on either country, Iraq or Afghanistan, if the members of our Armed Forces hadn't been willing to carry it out. After all, it wasn't very likely that Bush and Blair would have invaded those countries themselves and terrorized the people there; so in the end the ones responsible for this horror are those individuals who carried it out, the troops of the US and the UK.
This is not a matter of winning or losing a war but a matter of personal responsibility for one's own actions. Let's face it, in the end our troops can just look into the mirror and gaze upon the monster that's looking back at them because without them, the invasion of those two countries would have remained a wet dream for Bush and Blair.
So what exactly should we declare victory over? Over anything that's decent and moral? Why are we remaining in Iraq? Because obviously we never intended to leave Iraq and won't leave that country until the Iraqi kick out our military like the Vietnamese had done before them. Halliburton is building 14 permanent military bases in Iraq, does that look like our troops have any intensions of leaving that country? Bush never had an exit strategy as Mr. Kerry so aptly noticed but that's mostly because he never planned on exiting to begin with. After all, he can hardly syphon the oil out of his US colony there without our military constantly protecting his pipelines against sabotage.
What would have been the point in destroying and then invading Iraq if all our military had intended to do there was to invade the cities, murder several thousand people, and leave again? Our military along with their commander in chief did come for the oil there, correct? Well, it takes a while to pump it all out, after all. So far, the pipelines keep getting damaged by saboteurs and the oil tanker convoys keep getting attacked, so I don't know how much oil Halliburton has successfully removed from Iraq at this time.
Keep in mind that we all knew that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and if anyone had doubts, he merely had to watch the shock and awe display to realize that nobody would attack and invade in this manner if he worried about WMDs being there. As for removing Hussein from office, that was never our call to begin with and we know this. In fact, it wasn't even the original intent of the invasion. And as the world is waiting for us to admit our defeat and leave Iraq, naturally our BlackwaterUSA,Inc contractors along with the blokes from the British military are busy dressing up as Iraqi, setting off bombs all over the place, and trying to get a civil war there started which will give them an excuse to stay. And while our troops are dumping tons of radioactive dust on both sides of Iran with their DU munitions, Rice howls about Iran's nuclear program. Good going. |
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indago
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| Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:57 am Post subject: Re: Iraqi Civil War |
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| PumaClaws wrote: | | Just imagine, already during this shock and awe overture there in Iraq our fully adult, college educated, courageous USAF bomber pilots managed to fly 30,000 ft in the air over Baghdad and blow up thousands of children in that city. What a grand spectacle that must have been. And under the circumstances I suppose that it's absolutely astounding that our USAF actually achieved victory considering the formidable enemy they were facing as they carried out their relentless bombing attacks against Iraqi infants in cradles and toddlers in strollers at the market in Baghdad where a missile was launched early on. |
Hey, you know the old saying: omelet... eggs... |
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PumaClaws
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| Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:32 am Post subject: |
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| Joey wrote: | I am pretty pleased by our success in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I am also amused by the cliches from moveon.org and democrat underground repeated here.  |
Really? Well, I really didn't quote any cliches or anything but my own views but have it your way. What success are we having in Iraq? We didn't find the weapons and that's what we went over there for if I recall this correctly. Obviously your memory is a bit shorter than mine.
Yanno, if Iraq holds elections or not, who the president of Iraq is, if they have a written constitution or not, stuff like that is really none of our business. After all, when did god die and put the US in charge of the world anyway? So now that about 200,000 Iraqi people are dead, many of them children, the whole country is covered with radioactive dust from our DU munitions, the women of Iraq are right back where they were 30 years ago with no rights at all, millions of people there are homeless, thousands of Iraqi children are maimed for life, all the Iraqi children are traumatized by the horror our military has exposed them to, YOU are pleased with all this? I'm sorry but I really have a problem with heinous creatures like you.
I won't even talk about Afghanistan because the result there is even more horrendous than in Iraq. All your comments tell me is that America ain't even worth saving or protecting, not with people like you in it at any rate. Yanno, actually I'm an Army veteran but frankly I wouldn't even bother to lift one finger to protect an evil creature like you.
I'm sure after you got bored with reality shows on TV, you just wanted to see thousands of foreign people dead but, then, what else is new with Anglo-America? Anglo-Americans have always been worthless. blood-thirsty bastards and will remain this until we somehow manage to kick you back out of our country. You people kill with impunity whoever stands in the way of something you want, be that gold in them thar hills or oil in Iraq, and you'll never change. |
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PumaClaws
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| Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:38 am Post subject: Re: Iraqi Civil War |
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| indago wrote: | | PumaClaws wrote: | | Just imagine, already during this shock and awe overture there in Iraq our fully adult, college educated, courageous USAF bomber pilots managed to fly 30,000 ft in the air over Baghdad and blow up thousands of children in that city. What a grand spectacle that must have been. And under the circumstances I suppose that it's absolutely astounding that our USAF actually achieved victory considering the formidable enemy they were facing as they carried out their relentless bombing attacks against Iraqi infants in cradles and toddlers in strollers at the market in Baghdad where a missile was launched early on. |
Hey, you know the old saying: omelet... eggs... |
What about omelets and eggs? Surely you don't believe for a minute that our USAF flyboys went to Iraq to make omelets or that human beings are nothing more than chicken eggs. All I can say is that I hope a similar fate befalls you and your family that you so callously wish on the Iraqi people. You're not even worth talking to. |
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indago
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| Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:13 am Post subject: Re: Iraqi Civil War |
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PumaClaws has snidely sniveled | Quote: | | What about omelets and eggs? Surely you don't believe for a minute that our USAF flyboys went to Iraq to make omelets or that human beings are nothing more than chicken eggs. All I can say is that I hope a similar fate befalls you and your family that you so callously wish on the Iraqi people. You're not even worth talking to. |
Matter of fact, I believe that we shouldn't have gone over there in the first place. And besides that, you're a whiney sniveler, and I don't know why you are talking to me either.
So, don't... |
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Bama
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| Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:27 pm Post subject: Re: Iraqi Civil War |
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Puma Claws -->"I have a question here: What's this thing about declaring victory?"
You don't think its a victory that in just 3 years we are establishing military bases in a Mid-eastern country formerly ruled by a dictator whose hope was to wipe us off the face of the earth? |
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PumaClaws
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 9:31 am Post subject: Re: Iraqi Civil War |
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| Bama wrote: | Puma Claws -->"I have a question here: What's this thing about declaring victory?"
You don't think its a victory that in just 3 years we are establishing military bases in a Mid-eastern country formerly ruled by a dictator whose hope was to wipe us off the face of the earth? |
Huh? Last time I looked, it was the US who attacked Iraq and not the other way around. Remember the old Bush bombing that country after he said he has no problem with Iraq annexing Kuweit? So when exactly was it that Hussein hoped to wipe us off the face of the earth? Wasn't he our best friend until the old Bush came along and wanted Iraq's oil? |
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PumaClaws
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 9:36 am Post subject: Re: Iraqi Civil War |
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| indago wrote: | PumaClaws has snidely sniveled | Quote: | | What about omelets and eggs? Surely you don't believe for a minute that our USAF flyboys went to Iraq to make omelets or that human beings are nothing more than chicken eggs. All I can say is that I hope a similar fate befalls you and your family that you so callously wish on the Iraqi people. You're not even worth talking to. |
Matter of fact, I believe that we shouldn't have gone over there in the first place. And besides that, you're a whiney sniveler, and I don't know why you are talking to me either.
So, don't... |
Well, why am I a whiney sniveler when I simply object to human rights violations? Okay, the US is bombing hell out of the Iraqi people for no apparent reason, murdered close to 200,000 people there, many of them children, maimed thousands, left millions homeless, but when I point this out, I'm a whiney sniveler? I just hope the same thing happens to you and yours, and then you can discuss your own whiney sniveling with me, okay? I swear, there can't be anybody on earth more callous and arrogant than Anglo-America. |
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Bama
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 10:28 pm Post subject: Re: Iraqi Civil War |
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| PumaClaws wrote: | | Bama wrote: | Puma Claws -->"I have a question here: What's this thing about declaring victory?"
You don't think its a victory that in just 3 years we are establishing military bases in a Mid-eastern country formerly ruled by a dictator whose hope was to wipe us off the face of the earth? |
Huh? Last time I looked, it was the US who attacked Iraq and not the other way around. Remember the old Bush bombing that country after he said he has no problem with Iraq annexing Kuweit? So when exactly was it that Hussein hoped to wipe us off the face of the earth? Wasn't he our best friend until the old Bush came along and wanted Iraq's oil? |
Well shoot, Puma
I'm trying to discuss the positives of the war and you go off babbling about something that happened 15 years and Saddam's innocence.
What's up with that? |
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PumaClaws
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 3:58 am Post subject: Re: Iraqi Civil War |
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| Bama wrote: | | PumaClaws wrote: | | Bama wrote: | Puma Claws -->"I have a question here: What's this thing about declaring victory?"
You don't think its a victory that in just 3 years we are establishing military bases in a Mid-eastern country formerly ruled by a dictator whose hope was to wipe us off the face of the earth? |
Huh? Last time I looked, it was the US who attacked Iraq and not the other way around. Remember the old Bush bombing that country after he said he has no problem with Iraq annexing Kuweit? So when exactly was it that Hussein hoped to wipe us off the face of the earth? Wasn't he our best friend until the old Bush came along and wanted Iraq's oil? |
Well shoot, Puma
I'm trying to discuss the positives of the war and you go off babbling about something that happened 15 years and Saddam's innocence.
What's up with that? |
What's up with that is that there's nothing positive about wars period. Maybe America will be less callous about this subject if it no longer gets to export its wars into other countries, huh?
Yanno, America complains when the news shows pics of a war because that's too tough for kids. Well folks, the kids in Iraq can't just turn off the TV to stop the war around them. Think about that. At any rate, when our adult college grads fly bombers over a foreign country and dump explosives on the little children there, it's difficult to see anything positive in this cowardly endeavor. Sorry, whatever the disagreement is about, I suggest people learn to deal with them without resorting to war. There is nothing the Iraqi people have done to deserve getting attacked in this heinous fashion. Wars are evil and whenever Anglo-America doesn't get its way, it starts slaughtering little children. The US has done this from the onset when they heard about gold in them thar hills and NA-Indians were in the way, and obviously nothing has ever changed with this evil mentality regardless if its gold or oil.
At any rate, people who can see something positive in the horrors of war really need to have one in their own neighborhood to stop being so callous. |
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indago
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 10:37 am Post subject: Re: Iraqi Civil War |
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| PumaClaws wrote: | | Wars are evil and whenever Anglo-America doesn't get its way, it starts slaughtering little children. |
It's called collateral damage... |
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Bama
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| Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 5:06 pm Post subject: Re: Iraqi Civil War |
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| indago wrote: | | PumaClaws wrote: | | Wars are evil and whenever Anglo-America doesn't get its way, it starts slaughtering little children. |
It's called collateral damage... |
Yep, a few must die for the many.
But we are moving right along with the major objective to have a base of operations right there in the middle of it all to protect the oil reserves.
We are dead without oil.
Its not easy being president. To convince us, Bush had to hype WMDs and 911/Iraq connection and silliness like "they will treat us as liberators" and "Iraqi oil revenues will pay for it all" to get us there- for the greater good.
I hope no one thinks President Bush kissesSaudiass because he likes it. =) |
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PumaClaws
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| Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 5:39 pm Post subject: Re: Iraqi Civil War |
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| Bama wrote: | | indago wrote: | | PumaClaws wrote: | | Wars are evil and whenever Anglo-America doesn't get its way, it starts slaughtering little children. |
It's called collateral damage... |
Yep, a few must die for the many.
But we are moving right along with the major objective to have a base of operations right there in the middle of it all to protect the oil reserves.
We are dead without oil.
Its not easy being president. To convince us, Bush had to hype WMDs and 911/Iraq connection and silliness like "they will treat us as liberators" and "Iraqi oil revenues will pay for it all" to get us there- for the greater good.
I hope no one thinks President Bush kissesSaudiass because he likes it. =) |
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Nope, it's not called collateral damage. American militarists call it collateral damage, everybody else calls it an atrocity. And why exactly should children of another people have to die so that Anglo-Americans can live? It seems to me that if Anglo-America didn't breed like rabbits, nobody would have to die so they can spread out.
And why exactly should I give a damn if Bush likes kissing Saudi ass or not? Apparently he likes it or he wouldn't do it. For someone who elbowed his way into the presidency, you sure make a lot of excuses for that guy. Besides, he already kissed Saudi ass long before he became president. BTW, did you know that Iraq has so much oil, they would have been willing to sell it to us? We never needed to attack them.
I'm sorry but I really have a hard time thinking highly of adult college grads who can't think of anything better to do with their life than to get into an airplane and dump tons of explosives on the heads of helpless little children in foreign countries. For that alone, these people need to go to prison. In the end, if it weren't for those shameless enablers aka our troops, Bush and Blair would have simply expanded their sphere of ass-kissing and nobody would have died. |
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PumaClaws
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| Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 6:04 pm Post subject: Re: Iraqi Civil War |
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[quote="PumaClaws"][quote="Bama"] | indago wrote: | | PumaClaws wrote: | | Wars are evil and whenever Anglo-America doesn't get its way, it starts slaughtering little children. |
It's called collateral damage... |
And who cares what you call it? A murdered child is a murdered child and nobody gives a damn about your childish and callous semantic games. Hey, anybody who thinks that murdering children is okay should just offer up his own kids for the sacrifice -- while they're still little. Just think, if all Americans would just sacrifice their own children, there won't be a next generation in the US that needs any oil anyhow. How 'bout them apples? |
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indago
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| Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 3:25 am Post subject: Re: Iraqi Civil War |
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| PumaClaws wrote: | | Hey, anybody who thinks that murdering children is okay should just offer up his own kids for the sacrifice |
In the game of Hawks & Doves, you came on here as an extreme Dove, so I responded as an extreme Hawk. Just playing the game. But now that you mention it, you don't really believe that the pilots singled out women and children for destruction, do you? |
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Bama
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| Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 2:28 pm Post subject: Re: Iraqi Civil War |
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[quote="PumaClaws"][quote="PumaClaws"] | Bama wrote: | | indago wrote: | | PumaClaws wrote: | | Wars are evil and whenever Anglo-America doesn't get its way, it starts slaughtering little children. |
It's called collateral damage... |
And who cares what you call it? A murdered child is a murdered child and nobody gives a damn about your childish and callous semantic games. Hey, anybody who thinks that murdering children is okay should just offer up his own kids for the sacrifice -- while they're still little. Just think, if all Americans would just sacrifice their own children, there won't be a next generation in the US that needs any oil anyhow. How 'bout them apples? |
I think we might get a better understanding of where Puma is coming from if we knew where he comes from. What country? |
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PumaClaws
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| Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 3:36 pm Post subject: Re: Iraqi Civil War |
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[quote="Bama"][quote="PumaClaws"] | PumaClaws wrote: | | Bama wrote: | | indago wrote: | | PumaClaws wrote: | | Wars are evil and whenever Anglo-America doesn't get its way, it starts slaughtering little children. |
It's called collateral damage... |
And who cares what you call it? A murdered child is a murdered child and nobody gives a damn about your childish and callous semantic games. Hey, anybody who thinks that murdering children is okay should just offer up his own kids for the sacrifice -- while they're still little. Just think, if all Americans would just sacrifice their own children, there won't be a next generation in the US that needs any oil anyhow. How 'bout them apples? |
I think we might get a better understanding of where Puma is coming from if we knew where he comes from. What country? |
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Wrong question. It's not what country I come from but what nation. I'm in my country, you're not. The nation I come from is the nation of the people, Dinetah, in other words, I'm Dineh, Navajo. Now if the Anglo folks would learn history occasionally instead of propaganda, you would have known this as soon as I mentioned silver. It was during your fancy Lincoln administration that Carson, a Union officer, decided that he wanted our silver (although the area was not even within the US) and removed my nation on a forced march to Bosque Redondo in order "to keep the supply lines open for the civil war." Except the US kept us in that gulag for 25 years after hundreds of my people died during that forced march. Ahem, excuse me, not hundreds of my people but merely collateral damage to quote you.
See, there is absolutely nothing new under the sun. The US is treating the Iraqi people just like it treated my people and everybody else who had something Anglo-Americans wanted. Good gravy, there was obviously a good reason why England ran all these people off and brought them over here; these people were impossible to get along with so they dumped the trash on us. What kind of society did you people think you're going to form from social outcasts and exiled criminals anyway? You do know, I hope, that Georgia used to be a British prison colony where they exiled the criminally insane inmates of the maximum security prisons in Dartmoor and Bath. Insanity, of course, is hereditary, as we all know.
So, now tell me again why the children in Iraq have to die just so the Bushes and Cheneys can have control over Iraq's oil. |
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Bama
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| Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 4:21 pm Post subject: Re: Iraqi Civil War |
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[quote="PumaClaws"][quote="Bama"] | PumaClaws wrote: | | PumaClaws wrote: | | Bama wrote: | | indago wrote: | | PumaClaws wrote: | | Wars are evil and whenever Anglo-America doesn't get its way, it starts slaughtering little children. |
It's called collateral damage... |
And who cares what you call it? A murdered child is a murdered child and nobody gives a damn about your childish and callous semantic games. Hey, anybody who thinks that murdering children is okay should just offer up his own kids for the sacrifice -- while they're still little. Just think, if all Americans would just sacrifice their own children, there won't be a next generation in the US that needs any oil anyhow. How 'bout them apples? |
I think we might get a better understanding of where Puma is coming from if we knew where he comes from. What country? |
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Wrong question. It's not what country I come from but what nation. I'm in my country, you're not. The nation I come from is the nation of the people, Dinetah, in other words, I'm Dineh, Navajo. Now if the Anglo folks would learn history occasionally instead of propaganda, you would have known this as soon as I mentioned silver. It was during your fancy Lincoln administration that Carson, a Union officer, decided that he wanted our silver (although the area was not even within the US) and removed my nation on a forced march to Bosque Redondo in order "to keep the supply lines open for the civil war." Except the US kept us in that gulag for 25 years after hundreds of my people died during that forced march. Ahem, excuse me, not hundreds of my people but merely collateral damage to quote you.
See, there is absolutely nothing new under the sun. The US is treating the Iraqi people just like it treated my people and everybody else who had something Anglo-Americans wanted. Good gravy, there was obviously a good reason why England ran all these people off and brought them over here; these people were impossible to get along with so they dumped the trash on us. What kind of society did you people think you're going to form from social outcasts and exiled criminals anyway? You do know, I hope, that Georgia used to be a British prison colony where they exiled the criminally insane inmates of the maximum security prisons in Dartmoor and Bath. Insanity, of course, is hereditary, as we all know.
So, now tell me again why the children in Iraq have to die just so the Bushes and Cheneys can have control over Iraq's oil. |
You people hold a grudge, don't you?
Puma, there are no more Osceolas (unless some slick talking Indian lawyer has adopted his name)
How about giving me one good reason why some squaw should have priority over me for opening a casino in Alabama other than her great great great grandmother banged Chief Running Bear. |
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indago
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| Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 7:35 pm Post subject: Re: Iraqi Civil War |
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| PumaClaws wrote: | | It's not what country I come from but what nation. I'm in my country, you're not. The nation I come from is the nation of the people, Dinetah, in other words, I'm Dineh, Navajo. Now if the Anglo folks would learn history occasionally instead of propaganda, you would have known this as soon as I mentioned silver. |
Again, in the game of Hawks & Doves, the Americans brought order out of chaos in the Indian Nations. The Nations were warring against each other indiscriminately, killing each other, requisitioning other tribe's women, and etc., much like the African tribes did with each other, until they decided that raiding other villages and taking prisoners to sell to slave traders was more profitable. The Indian Nations should be thankful and grateful to the Americans that they were brought together and now have a common goal: to endlessly complain of their plight. |
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PumaClaws
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| Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 7:44 pm Post subject: Re: Iraqi Civil War |
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[quote="Bama"][quote="PumaClaws"] | Bama wrote: | | PumaClaws wrote: | | PumaClaws wrote: | | Bama wrote: | | indago wrote: | | PumaClaws wrote: | | Wars are evil and whenever Anglo-America doesn't get its way, it starts slaughtering little children. |
It's called collateral damage... |
And who cares what you call it? A murdered child is a murdered child and nobody gives a damn about your childish and callous semantic games. Hey, anybody who thinks that murdering children is okay should just offer up his own kids for the sacrifice -- while they're still little. Just think, if all Americans would just sacrifice their own children, there won't be a next generation in the US that needs any oil anyhow. How 'bout them apples? |
I think we might get a better understanding of where Puma is coming from if we knew where he comes from. What country? |
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Wrong question. It's not what country I come from but what nation. I'm in my country, you're not. The nation I come from is the nation of the people, Dinetah, in other words, I'm Dineh, Navajo. Now if the Anglo folks would learn history occasionally instead of propaganda, you would have known this as soon as I mentioned silver. It was during your fancy Lincoln administration that Carson, a Union officer, decided that he wanted our silver (although the area was not even within the US) and removed my nation on a forced march to Bosque Redondo in order "to keep the supply lines open for the civil war." Except the US kept us in that gulag for 25 years after hundreds of my people died during that forced march. Ahem, excuse me, not hundreds of my people but merely collateral damage to quote you.
See, there is absolutely nothing new under the sun. The US is treating the Iraqi people just like it treated my people and everybody else who had something Anglo-Americans wanted. Good gravy, there was obviously a good reason why England ran all these people off and brought them over here; these people were impossible to get along with so they dumped the trash on us. What kind of society did you people think you're going to form from social outcasts and exiled criminals anyway? You do know, I hope, that Georgia used to be a British prison colony where they exiled the criminally insane inmates of the maximum security prisons in Dartmoor and Bath. Insanity, of course, is hereditary, as we all know.
So, now tell me again why the children in Iraq have to die just so the Bushes and Cheneys can have control over Iraq's oil. |
You people hold a grudge, don't you?
Puma, there are no more Osceolas (unless some slick talking Indian lawyer has adopted his name)
How about giving me one good reason why some squaw should have priority over me for opening a casino in Alabama other than her great great great grandmother banged Chief Running Bear. |
Squaw? Interesting terminology. Why can Indians have gambling casinos in Alabama and whites can't, is that what you're asking? That's because you white Alabamians decided to outlaw gambling in your state but Indians live on reservations which are not part of your state but under federal jurisdiction. Does that answer your question? In other words, talk to your duly elected governor about the subject and don't get pissy with the Indian population in your state because it wasn't the Indians who outlawed gaming in Alabama. You did that yourselves. See, this is so typical of you Anglos, you just never take responsibility for your own actions.
I don't have a clue what you're talking about regarding Osceolas. As I said, I'm Dineh, yanno, Navajo. Do you have a problem with that? If so, why don't you hand me your TS card and I'll punch a hole into it for ya.
Do we carry a grudge? You bet. Yanno, forgive and forget, I do neither. |
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Bama
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Puma Claws - - >"I don't have a clue what you're talking about regarding Osceolas. As I said, I'm Dineh, yanno, Navajo. Do you have a problem with that? If so, why don't you hand me your TS card and I'll punch a hole into it for ya."
What kind of Native American are you? Osceola was the great war chief that defeated the United States in the 2nd Seminole War.
I bet you are one of those Native American types who is offended by Atlanta Braves and Washington Redskins. What would you have them change to? Something more appropriate like Atlanta Blackjacks and Washington Slots? |
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PumaClaws
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| Bama wrote: | Puma Claws - - >"I don't have a clue what you're talking about regarding Osceolas. As I said, I'm Dineh, yanno, Navajo. Do you have a problem with that? If so, why don't you hand me your TS card and I'll punch a hole into it for ya."
What kind of Native American are you? Osceola was the great war chief that defeated the United States in the 2nd Seminole War.
I bet you are one of those Native American types who is offended by Atlanta Braves and Washington Redskins. What would you have them change to? Something more appropriate like Atlanta Blackjacks and Washington Slots? |
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I know that Osceola was a Seminole. I thought I told you several times now that I'm NAVAJO, so obviously I'm not Seminole.
What kind of Native American am I? I'm N-A-V-A-J-O. Get it now? Or do I have to repeat it a few more times? Yanno, N-A-V-A-J-O, as in Dineh.
Do I feel personally offended by names such as Atlanta Braves and Washington Redskins? Not really since I'm not a football or baseball fan to begin with albeit I wish the folks would find more appropriate names for their teams.
Redskin is a particularly tricky matter because the term originated when the US paid a bounty for Indian scalps. In view of this, I'm a bit amazed that the US would even allow a football team to harken back to this attrocity by adopting this racist slur as a team name. I know they talked Jim Thorpe into approving it but still....
Of course, as you cheer on the Cleveland Indians, the Washington Redskins, and the Atlanta Braves, etc. I'm wondering how it would go over if the Germans came up with soccer teams called the Dachau Kikes or the Birkenau Holocausters. Yanno, same thing, really. Of course, the Germans have better taste than that but America, ah well....
So yeah, when I'm overseas, I tend to get quite embarrassed about American displays of such blatant racism, but then again, with our troops exploding bombs in houses of worship in the Middle East, I don't suppose anything surprises anybody anymore about the US, huh? |
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PumaClaws
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| Joey wrote: | >>> I'm wondering how it would go over if the Germans came up with soccer teams called the Dachau Kikes or the Birkenau Holocausters.
Bad analogy. It would have been apt had the victims themselves called themselves by these names for centruries BEFORE WW2! And if they were PROUD of their names and didn't object or even wanted their names used, it would be okay.
A better analogy would be naming Dachau team after Daschunds (sp?) which came from there I believe. It is more like the Indian name flap in the usa. Just another liberal scam to divide America. I am glad it is failing among the people, but sadly the NCAA accepted it. Time to clean house in the NCAA. |
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What, pray tell, does a Dachshund have to do with Dachau? Dachau is the name of a town (Dach = roof, Au = lea). A "Dachs" is a badger, hence a Dachshund is a dog bred to hunt badgers. And since 'Hund" is an insult in German equivalent to S.O.B. over here, why would a soccer team call itself the Dachau Dogs? Honestly, you sure veer off a subject.
Excuse me but the term Redskin was initially used by whites. We didn't call ourselves redskins, after all. As I said, redskin refers to the color of our skin after some bounty hunter scalped the individual. In other words, it really means "bloody skin." So how exactly is my analogy wrong? It's not. Or didn't you know that scalping is a practice that was imported by the white immigrants here?
I hate to tell you this but we never asked you people to use Redskins, Indians, Braves, Chiefs, etc. in your sports team names. Really, we didn't. Moreover, we didn't refer to ourselves as Redskins, Indians, Braves, or Chiefs centuries before you people formed these sports teams because centuries before that we didn't even speak English. It was, BTW, Cristobal Colon, a white guy, who first called us Indians, and that's because the moron got lost and thought he was in India. We referred to ourselves as PEOPLE in whatever language the specific nation spoke at the time. So my analogy still stands. Washington Redskins is as "tasteful" as it would be for German soccer teams to call themselves Dachau Kikes or Birkenau Holocausters.
In the future, if you want to know our history, ASK, and don't tell me what NA-Indians used to do or how we feel or what we want. OK?
A liberal scam to divide America? Interesting. So you think that America should just lockstep behind your clique and we all have to think alike? Well yeah, the nazis certainly would agree with you, talking about Birkenau and Dachau. They really tended to get quite upset that the jewish Germans and other "liberals" didn't just buy into nazi claptrap and thus divided the 3rd Reich. Then again, isn't it equally true that YOU're proposing neo-con scams here that divide America? After all, you neo-cons can just follow the line of reasoning of liberals and America wouldn't be divided either.
Incidentally, before you get too carried away with your Anglo-labels, I really don't consider myself a liberal. Of course, I also don't buy into your conservative claptrap either because before all this is over, you're probably re-instituting slavery and bring back the American holocaust against us indigenous people. |
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Bama
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A little humor
A politician named Kaloogian in California in the race to replace the "patriotic" scumbag Duke Cunningham posted a picture of a street in Baghdad to prove that journalists are distorting the facts. The problem is the picture was of a street in Istanbul haha
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12071317/site/newsweek/
Apparently the bunch spent some time vacationing in Turkey on their "Voice of Soldiers" Truth Tour.
Meanwhile, on Wednesday, these same journalist types reported the third instance in three days of gunmen rushing a store on a Baghdad street and slaughtering everyone inside. Maybe Mr Kallogian needs to go back, get him a sweater and sing "Its a lovely day in the neighborhood" That would be more impressive.
Maybe the War Is Good News crowd needs to apply the Dick Cheney rationale:
The gunmen are the victims |
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